Tuesday, February 17, 2009

A Convert to Islam on RD.net

Well, well... I have been informed that RD.net now has a resident convert to Islam named "Big Bang". He had said in one post that he was a "revert to Islam" ('revert' a rehabilitative term used by Muslims suggesting that all children are born Muslim and only stray later to things like Christianity, or Hinduism... a fundamental Muslim doctrine) and he followed this with "alhamdililah" (of course a mistransliteration and mispronunciation of alhamdulilah, perhaps he should have done some more research before "reverting"). I was reading (more like wading) through some of his posts, and found quite a gem, one which demands a riposte, but since I have been banned by the rationalist Gestapo, I will comment here, and hopefully this post will come to light just enough to dispel this Promethean effort in ass clownery.

The post by the self congratulatory Big Bang can be found here:

http://www.richarddawkins.net/articleComments,3609,Why-Women-Are-Bound-to-Religion-An-Evolutionary-Perspective,R-Elisabeth-Cornwell-PhD,page2#341960

I shall cite portions and respond.

"The wrongs that women suffer in Muslim lands is due (i
repeatedly point this out but it conveniently gets ignored) to ignorance and
cultural factors you sick and blind islamaphobes. "


I hear this bit of apologetics quite regularly, with the usual interstitial bouts of outright denial. This is quite a broad comment he has made here, unfortunately he does not bless us with a citation, or even a half assed reason. No doubt the suffering of women is due to "cultural" factors, the culture of Islam is at fault. Many apologists have said that it is the Arab culture that degrades women and that Islam would liberate women if only the Arabs would implement the Shariah fully. Let's not forget that Muhammad said that the Arabs were the best of people and that the Qur'an is an explicitly immutable Arabic text (Inna Anzalna Qur'anan Arabiyyan.... "Verily we have revealed an Arabic Qur'an"). The fact is that all the unpleasant aspects of Arab culture were enshrined in Islam, and this is precisely the cultural factor at work. If one looks at the opalescent profile of worldwide Islam we see certain unifying factors.... the relevant one here is the degradation of the woman in society. The only unifying factor is Islam, as I am sure Mauritanians have little in common culturally with Malaysians, save for Islam.

"Still, women are more oppressed in the west. They get raped
left,right and center and rarely are the rapists punished. In the name of 'art'
they sell their mothers,daughters and sisters. Adultery, family breakdowns and
all the ill-social and consequences are there for all to see. "


"Raped left, right and center", Oxford comma omitted for effect, apparently. Anyhow, this seems to me inaccurate, but let's assume it isn't... the perpetrators of rapes are hunted by law enforcement and prosecuted. The women are given counseling if they choose, and medical treatment. Unfortunately in many Muslim countries gang rape is an institutionalized form of punishment for perceived infringements of "honor", most recently in Pakistan. How are victims treated? A woman in Saudi Arabia was raped, when she reported the rape she was condemned as an adulterer and sentenced to 100 lashes. One could reasonably conclude that this would make rapes go unreported. What makes this comment even more sadly amusing is that in Islam a man's wife may not refuse him sex... in essence, spousal rape is acceptable. It is nothing short of shocking idiocy that a Muslim would criticize the western world for "adultery"... Islam permits adultery, in point of fact, by allowing a Muslim to keep women as sex slaves (concubines, referred to in the Qur'an as "what the right hand possesses"), and that these slaves cannot refuse sex. In one instance of epileptic fit Muhammad both sanctioned adultery and rape, and our local Muslim convert accuses the west of social dysfunction... ridiculous.

"Although the Muslims are in the worsest state in their
history, they are still BY COMPARISON socially(family/community) morally and
spiritually superior. We do not want your material and individualistic lifestyle
imposed on us, it brings nothing but misery."


What a joke. Palestinians dressing their children up as suicide bombers, terrorists in Afghanistan using 10 year olds as suicide bombers, rape victims lashed, gays hung, ad nauseum. What can one say.... other that "worsest" isn't a word.

"Islam is the solution, the only solution."


Dare I say.... 'final solution'?

10 comments:

Lucas said...

When were you banned by RD.net? Can you point me to the comment that caused the banning? I noticed you hadn't been around for awhile but assumed you just got bored with the whole thing.

Ibn al-Rawandi said...

Lucas,


I was banned a few weeks ago. I was given a week's ban for insulting some twat on the forum (who damn well deserved it). I defied the ban, created a new persona, and basically ignored the censorious moderators. I let people know that this new persona was "me", but not on the forum (only on the front page). I was permanently banned for "sock puppetry"... which is ironic because "al-rawandi" isn't my real name and is itself a "sock puppet" of sorts.

Here is the link to the discussion on the matter:

http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=71006

It was locked by the moderators. They routinely censor discussion that they don't like, warning and banning members who disagree with them. Unfortunately this carries over to the front page.

Lucas said...

Al-

Well that is fucking lame, man. You and I didn't always see eye to eye, but fuck, I enjoy arguing with knowledgeable people who don't pull punches. I read some of the locked thread. Stupid. Most of us front-pagers that worth a shit are outraged. Even Zara came out in support. Fuck those assholes.

Did you catch the Pakistani deal with the Taliban? What the fuck?! I sent at least three articles to RD.net, none of which were posted, while a pathetic new flea got posted and no one cared. Are they afraid to post stuff about Islam now? For fuck's sake, are they dropping their shorts for the same reason the rest of Britain is?

Ibn al-Rawandi said...

Lucas,

I feel that ultimately my banning was a self inflicted wound. My approach to the forum folks was rather harsh. Too bad.

Yes I have been following the Pakistani capitulation. The reasons are, to me, fairly transparent, and I will be composing a blog post today on the topic. Hopefully it sheds some light. And yes RD.net is shy about the Islam stuff.

philosowizer said...

Very shy. Last night there was posted on the front page of RD Net the beheading incident that happened in NY state. Several posters complained about the fact that the story was there. Saying it was misrepresentative of Muslims etc, the same ole crap. Anyways I was there earlier today and it was taken down. Dhimmitude is making headway on that site.

Ibn al-Rawandi said...

philosowizer,


You are right. It is appeasement until one day you awake and it is Dhimmitude. Of course it is possible that it is simply spousal violence, this happens in all communities. But there were too many symptoms of Islamic violence. He was a religious Muslim, she violated Shariah (women CAN NOT initiate a divorce, period), and the beheading is the favored method of murder in Islam. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

Dhimmitude on RD.net? I was banned from RD.net, part of that was due to my intense critique of apologists for Islam. Oh well.

Lucas said...

I was one of the people who thought that beheading article was a bit out of place on RD.net, but I was surprised they removed it as well. I'm all for being uncompromising about criticizing Islam (or any psychotically violent entrenched fantasy), but that article seemed to me to have little or nothing to do with Islam. Just a guy who killed his wife. MAYBE it is some symptom of Islamic and Western culture colliding, with the wife deciding she didn't have to put up with that kind of bullshit anymore. Maybe. If so, it would be worth discussing, but the article in question didn't make it seem like to big of a deal.

Ibn al-Rawandi said...

Lucas,

The issue is very difficult. Not all domestic violence is attributable to religion. But this had some telltale signs.

1) The wife asked for a divorce. This is STRICTLY forbidden in Islam.
2) The man was running a Saudi funded station for the propagation of Islam. Not a secularist.
3) Beheading is the preferred method of killing in Islam.
4) How many examples of non-religiously motivated spousal abuse can you find that involve decapitation?

It seems like it is religiously motivated. Why? Because everything points to that.

Anonymous said...

Was the beheading article located here?
http://richarddawkins.net/article,3610,n,n
P.S. It's ‘ad nauseam’ from ‘ad’ + 4 and ‘nausea’.

Anonymous said...

Hello Ibn Al-Rawandi

You said:
The wife asked for a divorce. This is STRICTLY forbidden in Islam.

Any Scriptural evidence?

The right to seek divorce is called Khula in Islam.

http://www.themuslimwoman.com/marriage/khula.htm

It is inaccurate to equate a discouragement to seek divorce (Khula) for Muslim women with outright prohibition of divorce(like in Christianity although I am not sure about it)

The worst of all lawful things in the sight of God is Talaaq i.e. Divorce.

-------Prophet Muhammad s.a.a.w.s.
http://www.theprophetmuhammad.net/

This Hadith in the canonical texts is an evidence for this discouragement.Low divorce rates in Islamic world is one of the greatest achievements of Islam.

I am a Muslim student of Islamic Jurisprudence. And your claim doesn't have any legal basis in the canonical texts of Qur'aan and Hadith.

You seem to presuppose Muslim masses to be perfectly abiding by the statutes of Islam, if it were the case I wouldn't have needed to explain this to you.

The proof is this: Most Muslims even don't know the meaning of Aayaat of Qur'aan they recite in their five daily prayers, unfortunately.

Qur'aan categorically says:
Walahunna Mislullazee alaihinna Bil Ma'roof
The rights of the wives [with regard to their husbands] are equal to the [husbands'] rights with regard to them

You said:
Beheading is the preferred method of killing in Islam.

Any Scriptural evidence?

Everyone has some knowledge and convictions about Islam. However, the majority of these convictions have their origins in inadequate or incorrect sources. Actually, what one has to do to know Islam is to study the Qur'aan, which comprises the origin and basis of Islam.
http://noblequran.info/



When we rise from the dead, rejecting God's Last Apostle to humanity, can have eternal consequences.

Say: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided."

The Holy Qur'aan 7:158
http://honorablequran.com/7.htm

By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the dwellers of Hellfire.

---------Prophet Muhammad s.a.a.w.s






Before we die, this may be the last reminder from God to you.
I believe that Church as well as Western Philosophy fails to answer profound question about life and daeth.
http://www.realityofdeath.com/

As, a Jewish scholar of Islam puts it.
In those weeks, I truly entered into the spirit of Islam to such an extent that ultimately I became inwardly convinced that I myself was a Muslim, and judiciously discovered that this was the only religion which, even in its doctrinal and official formulation, can satisfy philosophic minds. My ideal was to elevate Judaism to a similar rational level. Islam, as my experience taught me, is the only religion, in which superstitious and heathen ingredients are not frowned upon by rationalism, but by orthodox doctrine
If I were in your shoes, I would have hated Islam much more than you do from the way you see it.
However, as Islam is my educated choice I think otherwise. If you have any valid objective arguments to argue my choice, I am most willing to listen.

s.a.a.w.s= Sall Allaahu alaihi wa Sallam


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